Nowadays, there are so many different types of freehub bodies, mainly due to different manufacturers and also different cassette requirements.
The most common one is the HG spline standard, or the Shimano spline that has been in use since 8 speed cassettes. In fact, 8/9/10 speed cassettes use the same HG spline. 11 speed cassettes have the same spline pattern, just that it is 1.85 mm longer.
Then, there is the SRAM XD and XDR standard. This are radically different from the original HG spline, as there is only a short spline section. It is originally designed for MTB cassettes with a small 10T sprocket. I first used it on the Fnhon DB12 wheelset, when I changed to the SRAM Force 10-36T 12 speed cassette.
There is also the Shimano Microspline freehub, for Shimano 12 speed MTB cassettes. I have not had the chance to use a Microspline cassette on my own bike, but this is the Shimano alternative to the SRAM XD/XDR freehub.
The most recent addition to the freehub collection is the new road spline for Shimano 12 speed road cassettes. Once again, another design that is different from existing designs.
Microspline and XD/XDR can accommodate cassettes with a small 10T sprocket, which is useful for a wider gear range without going to even bigger sprockets at the other end.
The new Shimano road spline cannot have a 10T sprocket, as it is designed just to fit 12 speed Shimano road cassettes with a small sprocket of 11T.
HG spline on top of Microspline. The diameter of the Microspline splines are smaller, while the length is also shorter, all for the 10T small sprocket.
XDR freehub on top of the Microspline. Note that the XDR only has a short spline, and a threaded section for the XDR cassette to be screwed onto the freehub body.
HG spline next to the Shimano 12 speed road spline, on the Dura-Ace R9270 wheelset. Similar length.
Microspline on the left, road 12 speed spline on the right. Looks similar, but not quite the same.
Splines on the Microspline freehub are of equal height, unlike the ones on the road 12 speed spline. Microspline freehub is also shorter.
Close up of the aluminium Microspline freehub. There are many splines and are relatively tall to prevent gouging by the steel sprockets.
If you try to put a road 12 speed sprocket onto the Microspline freehub, you will see that the Microspline diameter is smaller and does not fit.
After reading through this article and seeing the pictures, you should have a good idea how each one of them looks like, and what cassettes are compatible to it.
Hi Steve, could you advise which type of freehub body should we get to be future-proof (regarding road freehub)? It's a bit unclear because compared to HG spline, the new Shimano 12 speed road spline lost backward compatibilities with 8-11 speed cassette while the smallest sprocket is still same 11T. For XDR, at least it loses compatibilities but allow smallest 10T sprocket. On the other hand Campa has a 13 speed hub which seems to be compatible with existing 10-12 speed cassette but not sure how that works. Do you think Shimano and SRAM will change hub design again for 13 speed and 9T that will not be backward compatible?
ReplyDeleteYou are right that each of the 3 manufacturers have their own freehub design that are not interchangeable. It is hard to say which one will dominate, as each has their benefits. Most likely we will see all of them still existing in the future.
DeleteIn this case it is more important to find a hub that has interchangeable freehub bodies. This will allow you to change the freehub bodies depending on the cassette you want.
Examples are DT Swiss and Novatec which has modular freehub bodies for easy swapping.
Thanks for the review! Do you know if the spacing between a Shimano MTB 12-speed cassette is the same as a Shimano road 12 speed? I ask as I want to use a road wheel and cassette with an MTB shifter.
ReplyDeleteI think the spacing might be similar. In any case, what components are you planning to use?
DeleteIt will be for a 1x TT bike, I want to use:
ReplyDelete1. Microshift end bar for Shimano MTB (12speed)
2. Dura ace 9100 Rear Derreilleur (11speed)
3. Dura ace 9200 11x30 cassette (12speed)
4. Dura ace/XTR chain (12 speed)
5. And a 1x crankset
What do you think?
Am I crazy? xD
The shifter and rear derailleur is unlikely to work properly, as the cable pull ratios are very different between MTB and road.
DeleteThe rear derailleur should work fine as it can move to any position, its position is only determined by the shifters.
ReplyDeleteAs long as the 12 speed MTB and Road cassettes have the same exact total width and center-to-center cog spacing then it should work fine.
But I have not been able to confirm their widths :S
You can try it, but I can assure you that the MTB shifter will not work with the road RD.
DeleteToo much money to be wasted to try and for it not to work.
DeletePath Less Pedaled tried this and it worked fine, you can check his youtube channel.
Can't find it on his channel. Can you share the link? Interested to know exactly what he used.
DeleteHere you go: https://youtu.be/lqKkI63bJmE
DeleteCheck on the comments too, I asked him about that setup and he answered me with some details.
I probably misunderstood your previous comment, as I thought you were going to use an indexed Microshift 12 speed MTB shifter.
DeleteIf you are using a friction type shifter instead, then it will work. A friction shifter does not have specific speeds as it can shift anywhere from 2 to 12 gears or more, as long as the cable stroke is long enough to cover the whole range from Top to Low.
Crabs!
ReplyDeleteI might have to keep di2 on that bike or go with 11 speed mechanical 🤔
Hi. I'm searching for a XD freehub (11 speed) for my Verge P10 with Kinetix pro disc hubs. Any idea where to buy them? Thanks
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately it doesn't exist as far as I know...
ReplyDeleteThanks. I was just wondering because the X11 now comes with an XD freehub... and the hubs of P10 and X11 (Kinetix Pro vs Pro X) should be quiet similar ...
ReplyDeleteI have a problem!!
ReplyDeleteI have SRAM wheels with SRAM hubs.
I want to install a shimano microspline freehub.
My understanding is that this is mostly a licensing issue with shimano, that they wont allow OEM manufactures to make microspline freehubs that fit SRAM hubs. HOWEVER,, I also understand that shimano is slowly allowing more OEM manufacturers to use the microspline standard..
Do you think there is ever going to be a microspline freehub that fits a SRAM hub.. Or am I just dreamin'
Thanks for any assistance you have to offer
That's as likely as finding SRAM XDR driver on Shimano hubs...
DeleteSo not likely at all.
Hello, maybe you can help me with my problem.
ReplyDeleteI decided to change SRAM pg 1130 11-42 cassette to the same model but with 11-32 cogset. And it didnt fit, the hub is too short for the smallest cog. 11-36 also didnt fit. The bike is Merida Silex 600 and the original cogset is PG1130.
Thanks in advance!
I think there is a a 1.85 mm spacer at the back of the PG1130 cassette. When installing the new 11-32T cassette, this spacer should NOT be used.
DeleteUnfortunately thats not the case(
DeleteIn that case you have an older freehub that is shorter, which can fit larger 11 speed MTB type cassette, but not smaller road type cassette.What is the model of the new cassette that you are trying to install?
DeleteYou can get the Shimano HG800 cassette, which is a 11 speed cassette that fits on 10 speed freehub body. https://handsonbike.blogspot.com/2019/11/canyon-endurace-grx-rear-derailleur-and.html
"In that case you have an older freehub that is shorter, which can fit larger 11 speed MTB type cassette" - yes, youre correct. I measured my freehub and other bike`s and mine is shorter for 1.5 mm. The thing is SRAM 11-42 fits to 10 speed freehub and 11-32 or 11-36 needs longer freehub.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your help!
Thanks for the pictures! It helps a lot!
ReplyDeleteHave you tried the HG 11 splines into the Dura-Ace R9270 hub? do they fit?
I'm eyeing that set of wheels but researching if I can use a 11 speed splines into them, instead of the 12 speed road splines. Thanks in advance
The Dura-Ace freehub body can only support Shimano 12 speed road cassettes. However, Shimano 12 speed road cassettes can be used on older freehub body.
DeleteThanks, I meant to ask if it is possible to replace the freehub body to another that supports the HG11... but I guess not that easy due to the direct engagement interface in the durace C50, and that most HG11 freehub bodies are either pawl or ratchet system...
DeleteNo it's not possible, there are no other freehub bodies available for the R9270 rear hub.
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