Showing posts with label Wheelset. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Wheelset. Show all posts

Saturday, July 26, 2025

Brompton P Line: Stock Wheel Weights and Chain Ring Bolts

Although the Brompton P Line uses a titanium front fork and rear triangle to save weight over the regular C Line (similar to old M6R that I had), those are probably not the only areas where weight reduction can be found.

From my experience, there can be quite a lot of weight savings to be found from the wheelset and also the tires mounted on it. At the same time, I was curious about the 4 speed components used on the P Line, and wanted to take a closer look at them.

Most importantly, I didn't like the Schrader inner tube valves that came with the bike. All my other bikes use Presta valves, while my Lezyne Sport Gravel Floor Drive only has Presta pump head. Therefore it makes sense to have all my bikes use the same type of valves to avoid having to switch pump heads or use adapters. This means I need to change the inner tubes on the P Line to the Presta valve type, which will involve disassembling both wheels from the bike.

After removing the front quick release axle, a steel plate can be seen holding onto the hub axle. This is a secondary feature which prevents the wheel from falling out of the dropout if the quick release axle comes loose.

This axle retaining plate is not commonly seen on other front forks of other bikes, as the more common design is to have a raised lip to perform the same function.

The reason Brompton uses this design with an additional part is to balance the other side of the front fork, where there is a steel bracket to support the front hook.

Steel bracket with dual function: Prevent hub axle from falling out, and also to hold the bent steel wire bracket of the front hook.

Next, I removed the tires from the wheelset, as I wanted to check some specifications of the rims. The lightest 16" wheelset that I have used was on the United Trifold, where I upgraded the stock internal hub wheelset to the super lightweight Elosix wheelset which weighs only 951 grams!

Brompton P Line rim internal width is about 17.6 mm, which is a decent width and not too narrow.

For some reason I forgot to measure the external rim width and rim height, but I guess those can be measured easily without dismantling anything.

Tire weight is 220 grams which is decent as well, although not as light as the Schwalbe One which is just 174 grams each.

Stock butyl inner tube weighs 87 grams. I could save at least 50 grams per wheel by using lightweight TPU inner tubes, but the frequent tire pressure top up is not worth the hassle in this case.

New Schwalbe butyl inner tubes, which is slightly lighter at 82 grams each. They are of the Presta valve type which is my whole objective of changing out the inner tubes.

With the front wheel done, I moved on to disassemble the rear wheel. This is where it gets more interesting, with the 4 speed external drivetrain to be studied in more detail.

Rear derailleur hanger is made of aluminium, and looks well designed and made.

Removing the rear wheel is tricky, as it involves sliding the rear hub axle rearwards, where it is being blocked by the rear mudguards.

4 steel sprockets of sizes 11-13-15-18T, and secured by a Sunrace lockring.

The 4 sprockets with spacers plus lockring weighs 81 grams.

There is a plastic spoke guard at the back of the largest sprocket, to prevent the chain from going into the spokes if the rear derailleur low limit is not set correctly.

There is a 2 mm cassette spacer behind the largest sprocket as well. Different from the usual 1.85 mm spacer found on some Shimano cassettes.

The plastic spoke guard itself has a thickness of about 0.9 mm. This means there is additional 2.9 mm of space behind the largest sprocket in stock condition.

Stock rear quick release axle weighs 35 grams. It is basically an extra long bolt with a nut at the end, so technically not quick release as an Allen Key is required.

Front wheel weighs 447 grams, about 50 grams more than the super lightweight Elosix front wheel.

Rear wheel with the short freehub body weighs 628 grams, about 70 grams more than the Elosix version with full length 11 speed freehub body.

Finally, Presta valves on the Brompton P Line!

In conclusion, my verdict for the stock Brompton P Line wheelset is excellent. It is lightweight at 1075 grams for the front and rear wheels, and it is hard to go much lower than that. No point swapping out this wheelset unless you are looking for something different, like a flashy carbon wheelset (like what I did for the Birdy AXS).

I'm pretty sure the lower cost C Line uses a cheaper but heavier wheelset, but I can't be sure. Drop me a comment if you have more information on this!

Another small modification I did for the Brompton P Line was to change the chain ring bolts. As you may already know, for nearly all my other bikes (such as Birdy AXS 12 speed, Fnhon Ultegra Di2 12 speed, kids bike Bestrider Pump Pro 20), I used multi coloured chain ring bolts on the 4 or 5 arm cranksets, inspired by the Marvel Infinity Stones which come in 6 colours.

Stock steel chain ring bolt on the left is shorter than the usual 8.5 mm chain ring bolt (right) I use on my other bikes.

This means I need to use the shorter 6.5 mm chain ring bolts, but I don't have them in multiple colours.

Stock steel chain ring bolts (4x) weighs 18 grams. There is one hidden chain ring bolt at the back of the 5 arm crankset which I will not be swapping.

Due to the lack of shorter coloured 6.5 mm chain ring bolts, I used the longer 8.5mm coloured "bolt" for the front, and the shorter 6.5 mm "nut" for the back. Weighs 7 grams for a set of 4.

New coloured chain ring bolts installed! Only the 4 visible ones are changed, the hidden one behind the crank arm remains the same.

Picture of the Brompton P Line with the coloured chain ring bolts! Not obvious at first sight, unless you take a closer look.

Saturday, March 29, 2025

Fnhon Ultegra Di2 12 Speed: Ultegra R8100 Crankset and new Kickstand

Final post for the Fnhon Ultegra Di2 12 speed folding bike! In the previous post I prepared the Ascent Cirrus Elite carbon wheelset for use on this bike. Due to the change of wheel size from 451 to 406, the gear ratio has been reduced by approximately 10%.

As the gear ratio should be carefully chosen to match the usage and rider's abilities, any significant change in the gear range will affect the suitability of the gearing. The previous gear range was 30 - 92 gear inches, which is ideal for climbing and relatively fast rides on the road.

However, changing the wheel size from 451 to 406 will cause this gear range to decrease to 27 - 84 gear inches, which does not have sufficient top speed for road riding.

Therefore, the easiest solution is to increase the chain ring size to compensate for the smaller wheel size. A Stone 46T narrow wide chain ring was used, and this will be changed to a larger 50T chain ring.

Stone 50T narrow wide chain ring. Weighs 118 grams, which is 20 grams more than the 46T version.

Compatible to Shimano 12 speed chains, and also the Shimano 4 arm road crankset BCD.

Close up look at the narrow wide teeth, for good chain retention. Chamfered teeth to reduce driving noise.

New 50T chain ring installed on the Ultegra R8100 crankarm! Along with my iconic coloured chain ring bolts.

Alongside the left crankarm

Right side crank arm with 50T chain ring weighs 480 grams

Left crank arm with crank arm fixing bolt weighs 195 grams

Total crankset weight is 675 grams, which is decent. This is the same Ultegra R8100 crankset that was on the Focus Paralane. After I disassembled that bike, I reused the components across a few of my other bikes. Now, the Fnhon Ultegra Di2 12 speed bike has a full Ultegra R8100 groupset.

After swapping from 451 to the smaller 406 wheelset, the kickstand does not work so well any more. The kickstand length is important, as it determines how much the bike tilts when parked. It is related to the wheel size, as a larger wheel diameter means that the axle height of the bike is higher.

With smaller 406 wheels and previous kickstand (optimized for 451 wheels), the bike angle is too straight when parked. This causes it to tilt over very easily.

I ordered a shorter kickstand to replace the original kickstand.


New shorter kickstand for 406 wheels weighs a bit less at 152 grams

With the correct kickstand, the bike leans to the side a bit more, which is what I wanted. Too little or too much tilt makes the bike unstable.

New shorter kickstand also helps to create a bit more clearance with the rear rotor when put up.

There is little space to fit a kickstand between the rear rotor and the rear wheel spokes.

With the new kickstand installed successfully, the modification of the Fnhon Ultegra Di2 12 speed folding bike is completed! Below are the pictures of the bike in its final state (I think). It has evolved a lot over the years, starting from a 11 speed flat handlebar setup with XTR Di2 components, to its current drop bar setup with 12 speed Ultegra Di2.


5 mm adapter added to push out the rotor, from the Birdy position to the standard position.

Same setup for the rear wheel, but with a smaller 140 mm diameter rotor.

Shimano Ultegra R8100 crank arm, with Stone 50T narrow wide chain ring.

Here is the refreshed drivetrain! Matte grey rims and crank arms give a different look. The rear derailleur has a custom short cage to have more ground and tire clearance.

Full bike view with high profile carbon rims but smaller 406 wheel size.

Previous setup with larger 451 wheels but low profile rims. I like both even though they give off different vibes.

All the components you see here are high end stuff!

Saved 200+ grams with these upgrades. Now the bike weight (excluding pedals and kickstand) is just 9 kg! Just slightly more than the flat handlebar Fnhon DB11 setup.

Extra pictures of the bike out for test rides. Here is the giant pumpkin at Elementum, near Buona Vista.

At the old Bukit Timah Railway Station.

Sunday, October 27, 2024

Birdy AXS: Assembly Completed with Suncord Wheelset

Assembly of the Suncord 4 Spoke carbon wheelset is completed! Let's look at some pictures of the Birdy AXS 12 Speed with the new wheelset.

Unique to Birdy bikes, the front rotor is mounted on the drive side.

The hollow look of the 4 carbon spokes look awesome alongside the front suspension fork.

Using the same SRAM drivetrain, but with a new wheelset.

Lots of empty space visible through the rear wheel.

XTR MT900 rotors used on both the front and rear.

Full bike with Suncord 4 spoke carbon wheelset!

It's a unique hybrid of SRAM drivetrain with Shimano brake components.

Updated bike component specifications! With the weight reduction from the wheelset and rotors, the bike is barely above 9 kg if you exclude the pedals and kickstand (which is the standard way of comparing different bike weights).

At Teck Whye View Playground

Using all black components allow the blue frameset to stand out!

At Villa Verde bridge along Pang Sua PCN

Great weather!

More pictures of the Birdy with new Suncord wheelset

At Villa Verde Park Playground

One of the best pictures in my opinion

Lovely cloudy weather again

After the Suncord wheelset modification, I currently don't have any other modifications planned for the Birdy. It's perfect in terms of performance, appearance and weight, not much room to optimize in any significant way.