Circuit diagram for this Ultegra/XTR Di2 hybrid system
The wiring for this Di2 setup is very straightforward, as can be seen from this picture. Nothing complicated.
The tricky part for this setup is to update the firmware for all the components. As there is a mixture of older road 10 speed Ultegra 6770 parts, with new MTB XTR Di2 M9050 parts, it is important to update the firmware so that they can all communicate with each other.
Once again, the PC Linkage Device is used to update the Di2 firmware. This is not as straightforward as the components are not the default road Di2 components, since it has some XTR Di2 parts in it. As such, the XTR Di2 components need to be manually selected when choosing the components for identification and updating.
XTR Di2 shifters (SW-M9050) and System Display (SC-M9050) have to be manually selected for identification and update.
Once updated, there are some options that can be configured, such as multi-shift for the shifters. Shown here is the choice of gear display duration for the Di2 System Display.
XTR Di2 shifter mounted on the handlebar. Sufficient clearance between the levers and the brake lever clamp band for comfortable operation with the thumb.
XTR Di2 System Display mounted near the centre of the handlebar for easy viewing.
As the default clamp band is for diameter 31.8mm handlebars, a rubber shim from the old S-Sun front light is used to mount it onto the diameter 25.4mm LitePro Monster handlebar.
With everything mounted onto the handlebar! The wiring is kind of messy, but I don't have a way to tidy them up. On the other hand, the wire from the System Display to Junction B is routed along the rear brake cable, so at least that part looks neat.
When upgrading from mechanical to electronic shifting, the main components for upgrade would be the shifting components such as the shifters, RD and FD. The drivetrain components such as the chain, cassette or crankset does not really need to be changed, as they can be the same regardless of mechanical or electronic shifting.
However, for electronic shifting, one thing to take note is that the Di2 front derailleur is very powerful. It will push the chain strongly against the side of the larger chainring, when shifting from the small to large chainring. As such, for a smooth and successful shift, the larger chainring needs to be very stiff to withstand the forces and not deflect too much. This is one of the reasons why the stiff and lightweight HollowGlide chainring is recommended for use with Di2 shifting.
Hollowglide outer chainring with Hollowtech crank arms. Stiff and lightweight.
With the Shimano 105 crankset, the 53T outer chainring is a single piece of flat aluminium chainring, which is good but not as stiff as the HollowGlide chainrings found on Ultegra or Dura-Ace cranksets. Since the Dahon Boardwalk has already received the new 11 speed Ultegra 6800 crankset, the natural thing to do is to use the older 10 speed Ultegra 6700 crankset on this Dahon MuEX.
How about the weight difference for the mechanical vs the electronic shifting components? As shown in the comparison table below, the electronic components are slightly heavier. Do note that this is the first generation Ultegra 6770 Di2 RD and FD, which are heavier than the new 11 speed Ultegra 6870 Di2 RD and FD.
I did not want to increase the overall weight of the bike with this Di2 upgrade, therefore I also decided to change the bottom bracket and the crankset to a more lightweight version, to offset the Di2 weight increase.
Weight comparison of the components, before and after. Overall weight of the bike is maintained.
The new Ultegra grade bottom bracket, BBR60. Not as small as the Dura-Ace 9000 BB, but smaller than the standard Hollowtech II BB. As such, it requires yet another adapter to use with the standard BB tool.
Lightweight at only 76 grams
Before change, the previous Shimano 105 BB-5700
New BB-R60 installed, with a matching black colour. A red 2.5mm spacer has been fitted under the right hand adapter, to push out the right crank arm a bit more. This is necessary to give more clearance between the FD and the right crank arm.
The 10 speed Ultegra 6700 53/39T crankset that was previously on the Dahon Boardwalk
The longer crank arm fixing bolt from the Ultegra 6800 crankset is required to allow it to engage the spindle, due to the offset of the right crank arm.
I am unable to use the original Ultegra 6700 crank arm fixing bolt, as the threads are not long enough to engage the threads in the spindle. This is due to the 2.5mm offset caused by the red spacer under the right hand adapter. Also, this means that the crankset is slightly offset to the right side, and the Q-factor for the left and right sides are slightly different. Hopefully this will not have a big impact on the pedaling.
A few more pictures of the assembled bike!
With the extra spacer under the right hand adapter of the BB, there is now good clearance between the FD and the right side crank arm.
Di2 battery, battery mount and the DIY mount velcro-ed to the frame. Black mounting tape was inserted between the frame and the DIY mount. I chose to use the wider velcro straps instead of cable ties for more stability.
Junction B mounted on the front of the seat tube with mounting tape, and cable tied for extra security. No danger of it falling off or moving as it is so lightweight.
Overall view of the seat tube area, with the battery and Junction B mounted in that area. Note the Di2 wire from Junction A that is routed along the rear brake cable, and into Junction B.
Ultegra Di2 6770 10 speed rear derailleur mounted on the bike
Ultegra Di2 6770 10 speed double FD, and Ultegra 6700 10 speed crankset mounted
No problem with folding the bike, still as compact as before.
Outdoor shot of the Ultegra Di2 2x10 speed drivetrain
XTR Di2 System Display, with the bright and sharp LCD numbers showing the current selected gear.
Overall view of the Dahon MuEX with Ultegra/XTR Di2
As an additional upgrade, I also changed the original Biologic Impel saddle to the Selle Italia SLS Kit Carbonio Flow saddle for more comfort and lighter weight.
Summary of the weight and cost of this newly upgraded Dahon MuEX Di2. Still cheaper and lighter than the Tern Verge X20!
With this upgrade, the Dahon MuEX has been transformed. It is still a lightweight and high performance 20 speed folding bike, but now with Ultegra/XTR Di2 components for effortless shifting. Maybe not so affordable now, but it is totally different from what is available out there. This is probably the only folding bike in the world with this Ultegra/XTR Di2 setup!
Added a Di2 sticker onto the bike to highlight the difference. The red Di2 logo matches well with the red accents on the bike!
In addition, shifting with the XTR Di2 shifters is really fun and enjoyable, as every shift is crisp yet effortless. It is very easy to shift multiple gears, and there is no need for any trim adjustment of the front derailleur, since trimming is done automatically for Di2 drivetrains. The bright and sharp display also gives useful information about the current gear position, which is really useful for me.
Overall, this has been a good upgrade, where I have managed to install a hybrid Ultegra/XTR Di2 system on a folding bike, and also learnt a lot along the way.
It's a very informative setup explanation you got there and I'm kinda interested in emulating the same setup on my foldie too. Already using a 6800 setup on my bike.
Do we have to use 2 junction box (A and B) or we can use either A or B?
Also just wondering if it's possible to see it in action?
You have to use both Junction A and B. The compatibility table can be found in the earlier post. If you already have Ultegra 6800 on your bike,then you will need the electronic components, which are the shifters, RD, fd, battery and the wiring parts.Delete
Thanks Steve for the reply. :)Delete
By the way, does the XTR shifters comes with the EW-SD50 cables?Delete
And what is the diameter of the EW-SD50 cables? Not sure if it fits the current internal routing hole size of my bike. Would prefer not to mod the hole if possible.
Thanks again. :)
The shifters or any other component does not come with the Di2 wires, you have to buy them separately.Delete
The connector diameter of the Di2 wires are 5mm. For comparison, the shifter outer casing is about 4.2mm diameter, while brake outer casing is about 4.8mm diameter.
Great information. That was very helpful to me.Delete
I'm building a bike from tern verge p9 frame. I followed your how to build a lightweight bike guide and I already have 105 RD 10 speed and FD dual. Only missing piece is the crankset, wanted to ask for your opinion on what to get between Ultegra 6700 or the newer 105 5800.
Also was told that I can also use SRAM crank 56t/46t is this possible if my RD/FD are shimano?
Thank you in advance!
Not much difference between the 10 speed Ultegra 6700 crankset and the 11 speed 105 5800 crankset. Both should work nicely.Delete
The SRAM chain rings are bigger and may not work well with the 105 fd as they are not designed for chainrings larger than 53T.
thank you for your feedback.Delete
great blog by the way, learned a lot from here, thanks again!
Nice mod there Steve. A quick question, able to share where you got the 2.5mm red spacer for your BB and also the spiral cable organizer in SG.ReplyDelete
The red spacer came with the FD adapter (not LitePro).Delete
You can get the spacer and the cable organizer from Taobao, which is where I got them. No idea where to buy them from a local shop.
Hello, really interesting solution for the battery. I am in similar position now and wondering if you perhaps have any more pictures of that mount or if you can explain a bit more how you managed to attach that metal to the battery holder.ReplyDelete
Check out this post for more pictures. https://handsonbike.blogspot.com/2018/09/dahon-musp-di2-battery-placement-and.htmlDelete